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one of the most famous avenues in the world. we're joined with the latest. what have you learned about the attack? what do we now know? >> well, in fact, police are still trying to find out exactly all they can about the attacker. they believe they know his identity. they haven't given it to us, but they do say he's a 39-year-old assailant who was known to police. he had a criminal background. he shot at police once in 2001 and served some prison time for doing that. so he was someone that should have been on the radar, but apparently wasn't enough on the radar that they were able to stop him from doing what he did tonight. the fact is that the president of france is going to hold a defense council about five hours from now, probably to talk about
what thing cans be done to guarantee the safety of citizens this weekend. this is after all, a presidential election weekend here in france. the first round of the presidential elections is on sunday. the campaigning is supposed to stop tomorrow. some of the candidates have said because of this incident the campaigning should stop in fact right now and no further campaigning between now and tomorrow. >> and isis has claimed responsibility for the attack obviously this guy was radicalized at some point. is much known about that? you said he had interactions with the police before. he was a known extremist, yes? >> he -- he was a known extremist. one of the things that still hasn't been confirmed but at least intelligence sources are saying that he was supposed to be under surveillance of so-called s file. the kinds of things they do with radicalized criminals here and he should have been under probably closer surveillance than he was obviously, but in any case, that's one of the questions that will no doubt come up in this in fact and
some -- there are some questions being raised already tonight about exactly what -- to what extent the police were watching this -- this assailant and how much they could have done -- what further things could have been done. >> the number of islamic radi l radicals that they are having to deal with. the last report i saw said about 15,000 or so. right? >> that's right. 15,000 of these so-called s files. they're different levels of surveillance and in fact, some people are under very close surveillance, but nonetheless, 15,000 people in france that police intelligence officers believe should be kept under watch. so with that kind of a task you're really at odds to try to keep track of everybody. they say for the elections this weekend they've got 50,000 police on the street but that pales in comparison to 50,000 voting places in france, but you
can't be everywhere all the time. >> thank you. major action being taken to bring a fugitive holed up in a london embassy to trial. late today we learned the justice department wants him with more on what he's wanted for and whether the government thinks they can get him. we're joined by pamela brown. what do we know? >> we've learned that u.s. authorities have prepared charges to seek the arrest of assange. now, the justice department probe of assange and wikileaks dates back to 2010. and prosecutor over the years have struggled with whether the first amendment precluded the prosecution of assange but they believe they have found a way to move forward. the attorney general today was asked by our laura jarrett about the focus on assange and here's what he said. >> we are going to step up our
effort and already are stepping up our efforts on all leaks. this is a matter that's gone beyond anything i'm aware of. we have professionals that have been in the security business of the united states for many years that are shocked by the number of leaks and some of them are quite serious so yes, it is a priority. we've already begun to step up our efforts and whenever a case can be made we will seek to put some people in jail. >> what's different now? why do they feel they can go after wikileaks where in the past the administration thought it would be too difficult. >> during the obama administration officials determined that it would be difficult to bring charges against assange because of wikileaks wasn't alone in publishing stolen documents by manning. several newspapers including the times did as well but the investigation continued although charges were put on hold, but more recently, the u.s. view of
wikileaks and assange began to evolve and change apparently after investigators found what they believed was proof that wikileaks played an active role in helping edward snowden disclose a massive cache of classified documents and then last week as you heard cia director gave a strong hint of this. >> he walks and talks like a hostile intelligence service and has edge couraged followers to find jobs at the cia to obtain intelligence. it directed chelsea manning in the theft of secret information. it focuses on the united states while seeking support from anti-democratic countries and organizations. >> reporter: as you heard the cia director there making the distinction that in the view of cia, wikileaks wasn't just publishing the stolen information, it played an active role. wikileaks has long defended itself as publishing in the public's interests and compared itself to media organizations.
>> assange is in the embassy. >> reporter: this could be viewed as a political move as long as he remains there in the embassy and ecuador does not change its stance. u.s. officials focused on the election in ecuador and the possibility that the new government would expel assange and he would be arrested, but the new candidate that won the election has promised to continue to harbor him. >> it's a change. the trump justice department prosecuting a person that at least once the president had praise for. >> i love wikileaks. another one came in today. this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> wikileaks just came out with lots of really unbelievable
things. just minutes ago. in fact, i almost delayed this speech by about two hours it's so interesting. >> that was then with. now we're joined by the cnn legal analyst. it's interesting that donald trump's justice department is pursuing this when the candidate was praising wikileaks. >> that was then. >> that was then, this is now. >> that's about the sense. >> so legally the difference is -- obviously this raises first amendment concerns for journalists and that in the past has limited had stopped the obama administration for going after him, but the trump administration is making a different argument. >> it's illegal to possess classified information if you're not authorized, but as a policy matter the justice department has always prosecuted the leakers, the people who gave -- who give the classified information, but they have not prosecuted the journalists who
have received it, even though as a technical matter possessing classified information which you know to be classified can be seen as a crime. what appears to be happening now is that that policy is changing, at least as far as wikileaks is concerned, because they don't see wikileaks just as a media organization like "the new york times" or "cnn", but as an active participant in obtaining the classified information so they're more like a co-conspirator. >> mike pompeo said there are no first amendment freedoms because assange is not a u.s. citizens. >> the first amendment applies in the united states whether you are an american citizen or not. you can't prosecute a non-american in the middle of times square because they say something that is otherwise protected by the first amendment. the first amendment applies in the united states for everyone.
but i do think the government may have a good argument against wikileaks because they simply possess classified information without authorization and that's true whether they're american citizens or not. >> in terms of bringing assange to the united states, unless he leave the ecuadoran embassy and they kick him out. >> he went to the embassy and remains there because sweden wants him on a sex crime. ecuador has determined to protect him from any prosecution in any country as long as he stays there. it's been years. presumably it will end at some point. the latest on white house efforts to do what it could not do the first time around and they were promising they had no plan b for, namely replacing obamacare. other big promises the president has made and what if anything he has done to keep them.
he begs to differ. >> no administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days. >> keeping him honest, that is not true. when looking at the conventional expectations that any administration is measured against, there are self-imposed challenges to justify early morning tweets and unsubstantiated claims to get something done by a deadline. during the transition, president elect trump put on a statement on cyber attacks. whether it's our government or businesses, we need to combat and stop cyber attacks. i will appoint a team to give me a plan within 90 days of taking office. it's been 90 days. we asked sean spicer about and got nop comment. the calendar speaks for itself. it's been 90 days and no report.
then there's this which doesn't involve a specific deadline, but suggests something to treat urgently. the presidents claim he would have won the popular vote if not for millions that voted illegally. millions which would be the bilgest case of voter fraud in american history, he said it on twitter. he said it to lawmakers. he offered no evidence to back it up. as pressure grew he said this. >> i'm going to set up a commission to be headed by vice president mike pence and we're going to look at it very very carefully. >> so that was super bowl sunday. more than a month and a whole lot of radio silence later, sean spicer was asked for a progress report on whether any evidenced come to light yet. >> i think that's why he asked vice president pence to look into it. ascertation that there's also factual evidence of people voting illegally. we saw that in texas a couple of weeks ago and in other places. part of the reason that he's
asking vice president pence to chair this task force is to look into the issue. >> no evidence of millions of people illegally voting. you heard him saying the president is asking the vice president to look into it, a month and three days after the president announced he was. not only had been done then and nothing appears to have be done since then. a senior white house official says the formation of a pence commission has not been a topic of a lot of conversation in the white house and said they had not spoken with the vice president about it recently either. this would be the largest incident of voter fraud in u.s. history. it would be a huge scandal and a massive deal, but so far no commissioner looking into it on the vice president's part. reached for comment late tonight sean spicer said he expects something on the commission within the next week or two. in fairness every president has at one time or another failed to fulfill promises. circumstances change and so do priorities. it's hard not to see some of
this as the president making promises while hoping we don't notice the lack of follow through. we do and so do voters. 45% surveyed believe the president keeps his promises. that's down 17 points since february. jeff, do you see these as a number of promises not delivered on? promises not even pursued? isn't the voter fraud thing a major allegation that if you say you're going to set up some sort of commission -- >> i think that there's room for some honest criticism here, but i think there's things going on. with the cyber task force, that's being headed by former mayor giuliani. they haven't reached out to government agencies, but they're getting their ducks in a row. >> 90 days is what the president said. >> i understand.
it is underway. on voter fraud i don't know. i note that hans has not been asked yet and i would hope that he is going to be involved in this because this is somebody who has a whole data bank of voter fraud around the country and its history and knows about the subject. >> who is that? >> thank you very much. >> hans from the heritage foundation. >> sure. okay. kisen, what do you make of this? it does seem like the president says things and has -- throughout his career as a developer said things and the more he says them people start to believe they're true, but as president when you say you're going to do something and it never materializes it does raise questions. >> yeah. i do think that donald trump makes a lot of promises and he does sort of -- he's hyperbolic
and makes a lot of promises. if you look at the promises he made for the first 100 days, he casts as though this is has been the greatest first 100 days of any time and when you look at what's happened, very little has happened by historical standards. there's no major piece of legislation. the main thing he was going to do with obamacare hasn't happened. they are trying to make it happen in the first 100 days, but hasn't done it. he signed a lot of executive orders. a lot of them are undoing things. they're not creating new initiatives. they're undoing initiatives that the obama administration did. i think he made a lot of promises and hasn't been able to deliver on a lot of them. >> the fact of matter is president trump has spent his life making big pronouncements about himself and his company. it shouldn't be that surprising. >> that is true. he does have a bit of a history of overpromising
underdelivering, which often what white houses do in the first 100 days is they try and do the opposite. they try and set expectations lower. both the obama and bush white houses tried to get journalists not to pay attention to the 100 day mark. they argued and i covered both of them. i remember the press office telling us this 100 day mark is artificial. the truth is they have a point to that. the 100 day mark comes out of fdr's administration. he had massive goodwill in congress. he could have passed anything he wanted. so his 100 days was energetic and he did a lot. most presidents don't have those circumstances. if you want to compare trump with obama, obama's first 100 days -- he passed more legislation and he did more, but he was in the middle of a crisis and had big margins in congress.
i think the biggest problem that trump has is he has a divided republican party in the congress and unified opposition among democrats so he's hard for him to pass any legislation as we saw with health care and then on the campaign trail, he made a lot of promises that he sort of smooshed into this first 100 days without really thinking carefully about what those first few months would be like and he's paying a price now as we go through those promises and see he's done and what he hasn't. >> the president has said a number of times no administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days. you would agree that is not the case, right? from a legislation standpoint or whatever metric you want to judge it from. >> i think in terms of executive orders and things of that nature, the accomplishment of getting neil gorsuch on the supreme court, that's a big deal. >> that's one legislative thing. >> it's a very big one.
as i can attest there were presidents who couldn't get that accomplished on occasion. that's a big deal. ryan is right, this is -- the bush and obama white house had it right. this is vastly overblown. what's going to happen here is we're going to have a flurry of stories about this when the 100 day mark hits and we'll move on. at the end of the trump administration four years, eight years, whatever, that is when history will start to judge. >> one of my points is it's the trump white house that is promoting this 100 day mark and it's president trump who is saying he has had the most successful 90 days of any president. that's what's surprising because it's not true so you would expect them to play down expectations. >> not doing that. coming up next, we'll get to the promise the president made to repeal and replace obamacare. a progress report when we
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the public isn't enthusiastic about the idea. efforts are under way to come up with something soon. athena jones joins us from the white house. is there enough support to pass a bill by next week. >> reporter: that's the question. this obamacare repeal is something the white house very much wants to get done. despite the talk about moving on to tax reform or another issue after the failure of the last push, it's clear repealing and replacing this law is a priority. it's something the president hasn't stopped talking about, something he wants to get done soon and he sounded optimistic about the prospects of that happening during the press conference today with the italian prime minister. watch. >> the plan gets better and better and better and it's gotten really really good and a lot of people are liking it a lot. we have a good chance of getting it soon. i'd like to say next week, but i believe we will get it.
whether it's next week or shortly thereafter. >> reporter: so he's suggesting a vote is imminent, but sources tell cnn while progress is being made the text hasn't been shared with the caucus and there's no target vote date set yet. >> as far as public opinion is concerned, we mentioned polling. what are the specifics on that? >> reporter: there's a new poll out today that shows just 36% of those polled believe the republicans should try again to repeal and replace obamacare. 60% say they should move on. that's a very interesting number to look at as they're making this second attempt, especially in the face of a lot of uncertainty about whether the changes they make to win over certain votes will lose them votes in the house, not to mention the fate of this bill in the senate. a big lift in a short period of time. we'll see what happens. >> all right. thank you. joining us now is berkeley
professor robert rice and cnn economics analyst and former advisor to the trump campaign. is it a good idea for this white house to try to be setting another deadline to pass something by next week or shortly thereafter? >> i don't think so given the record. republicans haven't been able to calm with a repeal and replace for the obamacare act. it was six years and they didn't do it again after trump became president. the odds are very low. they have been on recess for the last two weeks. coming back next week. setting a deadline within the first 100 days i think it's almost impossible. i don't understand, still don't understand, why they don't try to do a tax cut first or infrastructure first. why it is necessary to keep going back to this almost impossible task is frankly beyond me.
>> is it an impossible task? >> no, it's not impossible. when you were saying that president trump wants to get this done, that's for sure. but i would say that the vast, vast majority of republicans in congress understand if they don't get this done, if they don't get obamacare repealed, they're going to lose the house and senate. it's the promise they made to the voters. not just in this election, but the last three elections and it's something conservatives will never forgive them if they don't get rid of this. it has to get done. i was wrong. you may recall a month ago i said they were going to get this passed and that didn't happen. but it will. >> i remember that. i remember at the time i said i would eat my hat and you said you're going to have to eat your hat. i will make the same claim. they're not going to do it next week. i think steve you said, didn't you, they ought to try to do tax
reform before they do this? >> absolutely. >> i think again -- >> what i said -- >> go ahead, steve. >> let me clarify what i said because you had it half right. i said they should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. i'm worried about what's happened on the tax cut front even more so than the obamacare care repeal. when you talk about the first 100 days, there was a big trump moon bounce in terms of the economy in the first part of his presidency and after the election. it's flattened out a little bit and there's a lot of sluggishness investors are saying i'm not sure this tax cut is going to happen. there has to be a degree of urgency. get it done by this summer. if it doesn't it's going the republicans politically.
>> what about infrastructure. >> go ahead. >> that's a slam dunk because you have democrats who would argue and vote for infrastructure. you have a lot of republicans who want infrastructure. i don't understand why -- if you were in the white house, steve, you would say infrastructure first. i would have said that, right? >> well, again, let me clarify. in fact, there was a piece just the other day in "the new york times" where we said let's make a deal with the democrats. i want to put this on the table and see if you take it. the republicans get the corporate reduction, the business tax cuts that will help the economy. democrats get some infrastructure spending that you want and you got a deal and you call the jobs bill. jobs, by the way, when you're talking about the polling data, jobs is still issue number one for the vast majority of americans. >> that's true. i'll tell you something, if donald trump and the republicans ever came up with a way of creating more and better jobs, i would be 100% for it. i would be running around the country advocating it. >> are you for the deal?
>> a big supply side tax cut that will reward the rich and nothing will trickle down to anybody else will be a repeat under bush and ronald reagan. >> on the tax reform, what a lot of republicans were saying you can't really do the tax reform until you have the health care piece because that was going to pay for part of it. >> i think that's completely wrong. i know that's what they're saying. i think it's wrong. it plays into the happened of the of the enemies because they will say you want to cut health care benefits to pay for the tax cut. >> let me say on this so-called repeal and replace, this other plan that's just come up, as far
as i understand it has the same problems as the other one had before. all they're going to do is say to the states you can opt out of the affordable care act, but it has the same medicaid phase out. why would moderate republicans who didn't want to go with the repeal and replacement last time, why would they go with it because they were most concerned about the medicaid phase out. >> we have like 30 seconds. you answer. >> the answer to that question is because we're going to give those low-income people a voucher to go out and buy health insurance that's better than medicaid. it's going to be a better deal for low income people. >> it's not. everybody knows it's not. it's just another paul ryan plan. >> we have to leave -- we got to leave it there. thank you. to be continued. thank you. coming up, two curiosities tonight involving the trump administration's relationship with judges. the judge appointed in the dreamer deportation case, he's the same one trump had a beef
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attorney general jeff sessions is astonished judges in hawaii can block president's decisions. sessions was talking about the judge that halted the executive order halting immigration from a muslim country. here's what he said. >> i really am amazed that a judge sitting on an island in the pacific can issue an order that stops the president of the united states from what appears to be clearly his statutory and constitutional powers. >> an island on the pacific known as hawaii which of course is one of the great states of the united states of america. the justice department put out a statement clarifying hawaii is an island in the pacific, a beautiful one, where the attorney general's granddaughter was born, the point however there is a problem when a judge can block the president's authority to keep the entire safe.
in other words, don't get mad people in hawaii. a judge has been assigned to hear the case of a 23-year-old dreamer who says he was improperly deported. it's the judge born in indiana that candidate trump said couldn't preside over the trump university fraud lawsuit because of his mexican heritage. we'll talk about the judge in a moment, but what about this coming from attorney general jeff sessions? >> i have to say, i think it's bizarre that a single judge can invalidate something in the whole country. remember, president obama had his immigration plan invalidated by a single judge in brownsville, texas. we can agree that brownsville, texas is part of the united states, as is hawaii, but this practice of individual judges enjoining the whole country is a little weird. >> it is a beautiful island, though, you would agree. >> several beautiful islands.
>> this is coincidence that it's the same judge? >> total coincidence. they have a -- i'm blanking -- when you have a pool -- >> lotto. >> no, like a lotto thing. can we have people call in and try to help me with the word? it's a random process. >> okay. >> it happened to land on his desk. >> legally in terms of the legality and the prior comments from then candidate trump about the judge, that will have no -- >> no. this whole process has been so unfair to the judge. we have had african-american judges for decades deciding civil rights cases. we have women judges for decades deciding cases involving women's rights. the idea that the ethnic background of a judge is relevant to whether they can decide a case is ancient history.
>> let's play what candidate trump said. >> he's proud of his heritage. >> are you saying he can't do had is job because of it. >> he's proud of his heritage. i'm building a wall. i think i'm going to do very well. you know why i'm going to do well with hispanics, they're going to get job. we're building a wall. he's a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> i don't think so at all. >> yes, it is. he's not mexican. he's an american citizen born in indiana. that was one of the many statements donald trump made during the campaign, whether it was about john mccain not being a war hero or megyn kelly bleeding out of whatever, we all thought was going to hurt his chances for president. we were wrong and he was right.
>> again, just the irony it is the same judge who oversaw the trump university case which never was -- it was settled. >> the judge didn't have to decide it, but he is capable of deciding this and any other case. coming up, in the end what are the consequences of being accused of sexual harassment by multiple women? you may lose your job, but if you're bill o'reilly you may get paid $25 million. it's not the first time someone has cashed in after being accused of such misconduct. >> it's called a wheel. that's the word i was looking for. >> the wheel goes round and round. thank you. if you have medicare
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bill o'reilly has been ousted from fox news after advertisers fled amid allegations of misconduct, but his bank account won't suffer. he's leaving with a $25 million payout. he's not the only big name to make big bucks after a scandal. >> reporter: how and why did bill o'reilly walk away with so much cash? o'reilly had recently signed a new contract and has what's called a golden parachute. he's getting what sources tell cnn is about a year's salary. his contract wasn't set to expire until after the next presidential election. he won't get the full amount because fox apparently added language to the new contract that gave the network an out in case the fallout from harassment claims grew more severe. still, a payout after being accused of harassing female
staffers and contributors has many shaking their heads. >> i think fox and bill o'reilly wanted to end it without a major war. >> reporter: o'reilly isn't the first to be paid such a huge amount of money after being accused of sexual harassment. ailes got more. ailes walked away lost summer with $40 million. the full remainder of his contract. >> the murdochs who own fox are convinced ailes was harassing women in his office at fox news. >> reporter: in 2015 the man who was once ceo for united airlines walked away with a $36.8 million severance package after misconduct too. he resigned after getting caught up in a corruption scandal. they wanted to expand the subway line to new jersey's airport.
it would be good for business as a united hub. he was accused of adding a flight for political purposes. a direct flight to south carolina on weekends so the head of the port authority could visit his second home with ease. >> if the purpose of creating this route was in any type of kickback in exchange for the considerations that were being sought by united, then it's problematic. >> reporter: and not some men get to walk away with ood ls of cash. in 2015, sony pictures executive amy pascal got a golden parachute of millions of dollars. what shad he done? when sony's servers were hacked she was exposed for sending racist e-mails insinuating president obama only liked
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chances are when you hear certain songs it sparks a memory and brings you back in time. songs that defined history premieres in just a few minutes. the eight-part docu-series includes the assassination of martin luther king jr. and 9/11. the executive producer, i spoke to him earlier. growing up, what was your music? >> so the love with music started when i was a kid.
i grew up, i'm half black and half samoan, and part of the culture, we're always singing songs and playing ukulele and dancing. so song was always involved in my growing up. >> it was like traditional music. >> it was traditional polynesian music growing up when we would dance or sing that kind of thing. so hawaiian music, samoan music. at a very young age my dad was a professional wrestler, before wrestling he wrestled with vincent mann's dad. before the wrestling business really became global, certainly the wwe, we lived on the road like gypsies. my dad wrestled. i lived probably in 15 states by the time i was 10. so being on the road and driving everywhere, my dad would only listen to traditional country music. that was it. so hank williams sr., charlie
pride, guys who really at a time in the '50s, '60s, '70s, country music was about three cords and the truth. so i grew up with that. >> anything that you learned in the producing of this, in terms of a particular time, or genre or song that stood out to you? >> i think, yes. so i heard this song before, but then to watch our series, and then watch her interviews, and our series was really like a nice deep dive series. that really opened my eyes to what she was thinking, what she was feeling. ♪ everybody knows about mississippi ♪ ♪ >> nina swoon, i didn't know much about her until there was a documentary a couple of years ago called what happened to simone. it totally opened my eyes. i had heard some of her songs before. but i didn't know how the role she played in the civil rights
movement and how she really sacrificed her career. she hurt her career in order to be part of the movement. >> that's right. something bigger than that, right? which is reflective of the time back then. and give her so much credit. i was a fan of nina simone, especially in college there were a couple of songs that had romantic ties. but -- >> i actually run to this -- this will sound pathetic, i run the last couple of days to a -- like a remixed version of feeling good by nina simone. >> really? >> yeah. it's good. >> you're a good dude. i knew there was something special about you. >> when you work out, is that how -- do you work out to music? >> yeah. of course, absolutely. i work out to my own voice. no. >> i'm sure there's some folks in l.a. that do. >> i soothe myself. no, i'm all about hip-hop. i love hip-hop. i like, for example, tech 9,
probably the most successful underground artist unsigned by a big label. since training has become an anchor, i know you love to work out as well -- >> not quite as successful as you. >> well, i fake it. it's all lighting in the gym. >> you really let yourself go. >> yeah. >> is there anything you hope people come away from the series with? >> hope would be one. and that change is real. when we look back on the defining moments, that we chronicle in the music that has driven and inspired these moments. i think, you know, music has that special thing. like when you hear a song, and all of a sudden it moves you. if you think about someone you lost, or a time that -- an amazing time, it's that thing that just -- you can become emotional, you can become excited, you can become happy. i think it would be hope, it would be inspiration, and also especially today, i think,
right? especially today where change can happen, and change is real. >> congrats on the series. >> thank you, man, i appreciate that. another health care push from the republicans. the optimism and skepticism appears about equal. are republicans pushing too hard to give trump a win before the 100-day mark? and they meet again. the same judge who donald trump assailed over his mexican heritage last year will hear a case involving the president's immigration policies. will the white house respond? good morning and welcome to "early start." >> and that judge, of course, from indiana. more on that later. it's